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| **PRO Plan\\ | **PRO Plan\\ | ||
| romoigula** \\ | romoigula** \\ | ||
| - | 06/04/19 #24973 | + | 06/04/19 #24973 |
| Bellingham Parks & Recreation is updating the PRO Plan (Parks, Recreation & Open Space). Now is the time to add your input as to whether priorities should allow for more dog parks, small boat access, bike trails/parking, etc. | Bellingham Parks & Recreation is updating the PRO Plan (Parks, Recreation & Open Space). Now is the time to add your input as to whether priorities should allow for more dog parks, small boat access, bike trails/parking, etc. | ||
| - | https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Bhamparks | + | [[https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Bhamparks|https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Bhamparks]] |
| Romo for President 2020 - Keep the dream alive! | Romo for President 2020 - Keep the dream alive! | ||
| **Tyler Irwin** \\ | **Tyler Irwin** \\ | ||
| - | 06/04/19 #24974 | + | 06/04/19 #24974 |
| I forwarded the link to my paddlers Romo. Thanks. | I forwarded the link to my paddlers Romo. Thanks. | ||
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| **Dan Hund** \\ | **Dan Hund** \\ | ||
| - | 06/04/19 #24976 | + | 06/04/19 #24976 |
| - | Having a shop down there is a scary situation always wondering if it got broken into over the night... Watch Seattle is Dying, police officers need their authority back. | + | Having a shop down there is a scary situation always wondering if it got broken into over the night… Watch Seattle is Dying, police officers need their authority back. |
| **Reivers Dustin** | **Reivers Dustin** | ||
| - | 06/04/19 #24977 | + | 06/04/19 #24977 |
| - | Please take survey guys. Thx tiger-man. \\ | + | Please take survey guys. Thx tiger-man.\\ |
| - | Regards 'homeless' - I'm hearing that homelessness is largely drugs: (root cause of). Now OK … For the occasional person who gets jammed into homelessness and is not a substance abuser it is very damaging to get classified as abuser. (For example: injury/illness loss of job, mental struggles, etc.) … There's harm in generalizing. So law enforcement, media, etc should not be blasting drug abuse out there. But to address the problem at least on a 'first effort', drugs should have a bulls-eye. | + | Regards 'homeless' - I'm hearing that homelessness is largely drugs: (root cause of). Now OK … For the occasional person who gets jammed into homelessness and is not a substance abuser it is very damaging to get classified as abuser. (For example: injury/illness loss of job, mental struggles, etc.) … There's harm in generalizing. So law enforcement, media, etc should not be blasting drug abuse out there. But to address the problem at least on a 'first effort', drugs should have a bulls-eye. |
| - | Jeeze. did this turn into like a facebook session? I need to be paddling. whuddya doin here RD? I'm out. | + | Jeeze. did this turn into like a facebook session? I need to be paddling. whuddya doin here RD? I'm out. |
| **Tyler Irwin** \\ | **Tyler Irwin** \\ | ||
| - | 06/04/19 #24978 | + | 06/04/19 #24978 |
| Reivers, I challenge you take a walk down by Glass Beach sometime and then tell me that the people yelling at the beach logs and sitting blazed out of their minds on the dredge pile access roads aren't "abusing drugs." Yeah, the topic isn't pretty and socially acceptable to discuss, but it is a real problem that the City of Bellingham is letting get out of hand and it needs to be addressed. | Reivers, I challenge you take a walk down by Glass Beach sometime and then tell me that the people yelling at the beach logs and sitting blazed out of their minds on the dredge pile access roads aren't "abusing drugs." Yeah, the topic isn't pretty and socially acceptable to discuss, but it is a real problem that the City of Bellingham is letting get out of hand and it needs to be addressed. | ||
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| **David Scherrer** \\ | **David Scherrer** \\ | ||
| - | 06/04/19 #24979 | + | 06/04/19 #24979 |
| - | We might be getting a little off subject here....The PRO plan is addressing our input about the development of future public lands, parks etc.\\ | + | We might be getting a little off subject here….The PRO plan is addressing our input about the development of future public lands, parks etc.\\ |
| It is obvious that we do have a homeless issue. I am confident there are sincere and effective organizations who are dealing with it as they can. | It is obvious that we do have a homeless issue. I am confident there are sincere and effective organizations who are dealing with it as they can. | ||
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| **romoigula** \\ | **romoigula** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24980 | + | 06/05/19 #24980 |
| I'm a parks guy, specifically a recreation guy and not at all representative of the Cities response to an international homeless crisis. As for what Bellingham Parks & Recreation is doing I can highlight a few items that have been already well publicized. We try to approach this issue acknowledging a combination of empathy and the need to protect public spaces. | I'm a parks guy, specifically a recreation guy and not at all representative of the Cities response to an international homeless crisis. As for what Bellingham Parks & Recreation is doing I can highlight a few items that have been already well publicized. We try to approach this issue acknowledging a combination of empathy and the need to protect public spaces. | ||
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| We have waste stations that allow people without waste removal services to dispose of their garbage. | We have waste stations that allow people without waste removal services to dispose of their garbage. | ||
| - | I wouldn't speak for our men and women in blue, however, the statement "enforcement...is non-existent" is untrue and unfair to them. I recommend contacting both police and fire to learn just exactly how much they, and other agencies, are doing to reduce homelessness. | + | I wouldn't speak for our men and women in blue, however, the statement "enforcement…is non-existent" is untrue and unfair to them. I recommend contacting both police and fire to learn just exactly how much they, and other agencies, are doing to reduce homelessness. |
| I would further suggest talking to some of what you describe as, "these people". Many of them have substance abuse issues, others mental health and surely others are just plain criminals. Looking deeper one also finds children, mothers and those rejected by circumstances beyond their control. Making gross generalizations about all people of a certain demographic is part of an even larger problem. | I would further suggest talking to some of what you describe as, "these people". Many of them have substance abuse issues, others mental health and surely others are just plain criminals. Looking deeper one also finds children, mothers and those rejected by circumstances beyond their control. Making gross generalizations about all people of a certain demographic is part of an even larger problem. | ||
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| **Marc Blake** \\ | **Marc Blake** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24981 | + | 06/05/19 #24981 |
| ROMO For President 2019!!! | ROMO For President 2019!!! | ||
| **Tyler Irwin** \\ | **Tyler Irwin** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24982 | + | 06/05/19 #24982 |
| Romo, | Romo, | ||
| - | I appreciate the response. It seems that the City is making attempts to rectify the situation, but the problem is continuing to grow. | + | I appreciate the response. It seems that the City is making attempts to rectify the situation, but the problem is continuing to grow. |
| Kai Pana has been in the South Cornwall area for 6 years now and the problems with the street camping and associated garbage and drug use has only gotten worse in that short time. Don't get me wrong with my original email; I completely appreciate everything that the BPD and the Fire Departments do. In fact, their efforts are completely under-appreciated. We've had members who worked for the Fire Department specifically, so we are aware of their continual efforts to help contain this growing problem. We have had to call the BPD 3 times over the past two years to handle this transient population because of their aggressive actions towards our paddlers, and their illegal camping on City and private property. The problem is, their hands are tied. | Kai Pana has been in the South Cornwall area for 6 years now and the problems with the street camping and associated garbage and drug use has only gotten worse in that short time. Don't get me wrong with my original email; I completely appreciate everything that the BPD and the Fire Departments do. In fact, their efforts are completely under-appreciated. We've had members who worked for the Fire Department specifically, so we are aware of their continual efforts to help contain this growing problem. We have had to call the BPD 3 times over the past two years to handle this transient population because of their aggressive actions towards our paddlers, and their illegal camping on City and private property. The problem is, their hands are tied. | ||
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| **Paul Reavley** \\ | **Paul Reavley** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24983 | + | 06/05/19 #24983 |
| While I agree with several of Lance's comments I also recognize it is easy for me to sit back and do or say nothing in particular because I do not have my business (like Dan) or my club property (like Tyler) more directly at risk. The one time this Spring I launched from Glass Beach I did not want to leave my car out of sight. | While I agree with several of Lance's comments I also recognize it is easy for me to sit back and do or say nothing in particular because I do not have my business (like Dan) or my club property (like Tyler) more directly at risk. The one time this Spring I launched from Glass Beach I did not want to leave my car out of sight. | ||
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| **David Scherrer** \\ | **David Scherrer** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24984 | + | 06/05/19 #24984 |
| - | Very well said Lance...Thanks.\\ | + | Very well said Lance…Thanks.\\ |
| D | D | ||
| **Michael Gregory** \\ | **Michael Gregory** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24985 | + | 06/05/19 #24985 |
| Well said Romo | Well said Romo | ||
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| **lori & beau whitehead** | **lori & beau whitehead** | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24986 | + | 06/05/19 #24986 |
| - | The police (my friends) & fire (me) can only enforce the rules laid out by our mayor and city council. The mayoral position & several city council positions will be open this coming November. If you live in the city limits, you better vote. | + | The police (my friends) & fire (me) can only enforce the rules laid out by our mayor and city council. The mayoral position & several city council positions will be open this coming November. If you live in the city limits, you better vote. |
| **Rick Lingbloom** \\ | **Rick Lingbloom** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24988 | + | 06/05/19 #24988 |
| - | Super important issues that affect us all and deserve to be discussed. I'm just not sure that this Whatcom Paddlers site is the appropriate forum (other than Lance's original post about the survey).\\ | + | Super important issues that affect us all and deserve to be discussed. I'm just not sure that this Whatcom Paddlers site is the appropriate forum (other than Lance's original post about the survey).\\ |
| OK, now it's time to go to Bloedel and paddle in the rain!\\ | OK, now it's time to go to Bloedel and paddle in the rain!\\ | ||
| Rick L | Rick L | ||
| **paul clement** \\ | **paul clement** \\ | ||
| - | 06/05/19 #24989 | + | 06/05/19 #24989 |
| Quote of the day:\\ | Quote of the day:\\ | ||
| - | “...it's still a banner fucking day for me.”\\ | + | “…it's still a banner fucking day for me.”\\ |
| Worth reading through the whole post. Kudos!\\ | Worth reading through the whole post. Kudos!\\ | ||
| pc | pc | ||
| **Nicholas Cryder** \\ | **Nicholas Cryder** \\ | ||
| - | 06/06/19 #24990 | + | 06/06/19 #24990 |
| Good thread. No easy answers but an issue that affects us all. Timely read on the political aspects of this, and how they factor at the neighborhood level: | Good thread. No easy answers but an issue that affects us all. Timely read on the political aspects of this, and how they factor at the neighborhood level: | ||
| - | https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/god-help-whoever-wins-seattle-elections-could-hinge-on-voter-angst-over-street-homelessness/ | + | [[https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/god-help-whoever-wins-seattle-elections-could-hinge-on-voter-angst-over-street-homelessness/|https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/god-help-whoever-wins-seattle-elections-could-hinge-on-voter-angst-over-street-homelessness/]] |
| - | Side note to get us on the water: is there an ordinance or law that would prevent someone from going motor-homeless on the water? Say I bought a barge, and just parked an RV on top... What next? | + | Side note to get us on the water: is there an ordinance or law that would prevent someone from going motor-homeless on the water? Say I bought a barge, and just parked an RV on top… What next? |
| Nicholas Cryder | Nicholas Cryder | ||
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| **David Scherrer** | **David Scherrer** | ||
| - | 06/06/19 #24991 | + | 06/06/19 #24991 |
| NIcholas,\\ | NIcholas,\\ | ||
| - | Interesting idea with the barge and RV I suspect we will see more of that sort of thing in the future.....or for that matter surplus aircraft carriers.\\ | + | Interesting idea with the barge and RV I suspect we will see more of that sort of thing in the future…..or for that matter surplus aircraft carriers.\\ |
| Not sure how the Port would feel about RV barges anchored in the Bay. They have been coming down on liveaboards recently. | Not sure how the Port would feel about RV barges anchored in the Bay. They have been coming down on liveaboards recently. | ||
| - | On a another historical note...over 40 years ago I remember that the Cornwall beach area was a common meeting place for wanderers/hobos etc.\\ | + | On a another historical note…over 40 years ago I remember that the Cornwall beach area was a common meeting place for wanderers/hobos etc.\\ |
| Something about the closeness to the RR, and just the general remote location, yet in the city. Nobody really seemed to bother each other, neutral territory.\\ | Something about the closeness to the RR, and just the general remote location, yet in the city. Nobody really seemed to bother each other, neutral territory.\\ | ||
| - | It was also the site of an active historical ferry dock. Up until the beginning of 21st century you could still paddle by the loading structure. The "Drydock" building that stands on the corner, was and may still be the location of AA. The old industrial (south) site past the building is the location of a major toxic leakage seep into the bay (wood preservative) Thus the metal barriers you see driven down along the shore. Money is still being sought after to excavate and replenish that site that was screwed up by the industrial age....One last note, the whole massive flat land areas around Cornwall over to GP, Boulveard park, Squalicum and beyond ending at LIttle Squalicum Creek, is fill. | + | It was also the site of an active historical ferry dock. Up until the beginning of 21st century you could still paddle by the loading structure. The "Drydock" building that stands on the corner, was and may still be the location of AA. The old industrial (south) site past the building is the location of a major toxic leakage seep into the bay (wood preservative) Thus the metal barriers you see driven down along the shore. Money is still being sought after to excavate and replenish that site that was screwed up by the industrial age….One last note, the whole massive flat land areas around Cornwall over to GP, Boulveard park, Squalicum and beyond ending at LIttle Squalicum Creek, is fill. |
| **David Hooper** \\ | **David Hooper** \\ | ||
| - | 06/07/19 #24998 | + | 06/07/19 #24998 |
| Nicholas,\\ | Nicholas,\\ | ||
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| suggesting projects in our paddling access areas to the City, County, Parks, whomever, that might help with win-win solutions, and gathering a group of volunteers to help with the work.\\ | suggesting projects in our paddling access areas to the City, County, Parks, whomever, that might help with win-win solutions, and gathering a group of volunteers to help with the work.\\ | ||
| personally donating to some of the local organizations working with homelessness. Here are a few, (noting that some people like some, but not others, and vice versa, for their own personal reasons. I'm not advocating one or the other, just putting them out there):\\ | personally donating to some of the local organizations working with homelessness. Here are a few, (noting that some people like some, but not others, and vice versa, for their own personal reasons. I'm not advocating one or the other, just putting them out there):\\ | ||
| - | Lighthouse Mission and Agape House (https://www.thelighthousemission.org/) | + | Lighthouse Mission and Agape House ([[https://www.thelighthousemission.org/|https://www.thelighthousemission.org/]]) |
| - | HomesNow (https://homesnow.org/)\\ | + | HomesNow ([[https://homesnow.org/|https://homesnow.org/]])\\ |
| - | City of Bellingham and Whatcom Homeless Service Center (https://www.cob.org/services/housing/homeless/Pages/be-part-of-the-solution.aspx) (good list of organizations dealing with the issue at this link). | + | City of Bellingham and Whatcom Homeless Service Center ([[https://www.cob.org/services/housing/homeless/Pages/be-part-of-the-solution.aspx|https://www.cob.org/services/housing/homeless/Pages/be-part-of-the-solution.aspx]]) (good list of organizations dealing with the issue at this link). |
| I agree with others who have pointed out that just being in a life position to go play on the Bay in our sporty boats, we've all already won the global lottery. Now looking for some constructive steps to take to help move the conversation (and action) forward. | I agree with others who have pointed out that just being in a life position to go play on the Bay in our sporty boats, we've all already won the global lottery. Now looking for some constructive steps to take to help move the conversation (and action) forward. | ||
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| See you on the water!\\ | See you on the water!\\ | ||
| Dave H. | Dave H. | ||
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| + | **Re: PRO Plan- Water Bound homeless....\\ | ||
| + | Pmarcus** \\ | ||
| + | 06/06/19 #24992 | ||
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| + | On the water issue is the same but not so rampant here! | ||
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| + | Take a look in Richardson Bay just around the corner from Fort Baker in San Fran Bay. We have a couple of yachts here in town that are right off the Taylor Street Dock. They are completely unmonitored. The USCG only responds to distress and reports of people in the water. The Port has jurisdiction only where they have mooring buoys and then it becomes a DNR issue if not, which has very little funds, hence the boats during the last big blow dragging across the bay and now permanently, a land sculpture. I have been in town since I was 5 and like Lance R have to pinch myself on days like this or even crappy days surfing with the relatively ease to the water and able to afford our toys and my next meal. But this still doesn't allow myself to feel that we are enabling a lot of which is going on downtown and surrounding areas. I see homeland sercurity fly all over the place in the air, on the water and parked in the Border Patrol Rigs. What if we took a lot of that alloted Tax Payer Money and provided more vehicles with counselors to assist, (like the opportunity council cars) or use to relocate the lighthouse mission and surrounding facilities to open Green Space where maybe a temp homeless camp could be set up while individuals are in a struggling situation and not so near so much easily aceessible public use land. Our community appears to welcome and hopefully help theses individuals but should this have that much of an impact on a much larger percent of the population that for the most part made the right decisions?? Seems callous but think about that......We have the latest and greatest technology in the USA, so you would think this would be powerful enough to stop the influx of drugs into town...We fight Cancers, HIV research, how come Addiction, Metal illness and making poor financial choices and abuse rank so low on most peoples radar..isnt this just as important? Take a look at all the large buildings near or in downtown that are built catered to Low Income (want to define this?) I am a little confused about this.... | ||
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| + | So....while your out paddling, study your Voters Pamphlet and make decsions that will improve and impact our community. Everyone always says "lots of issues to deal with" as an answer. We have great Policemen and Policewomen and great Firefighters and Paramedics who deal with this all the time, maybe we should all chip in to create a Homeless Force: (These counselors and medical staff respond just like our law enforecement and Firefighters to deal with theses issues?) Not just one car and one or two persons but a Force.......Far Fetched, I dont know? I fished for 28 years and when something broke you immediately got the right part and fixed it and moved on...Things are broke.....What parts do we need, lets fix this! I am in!!!! | ||
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| + | Respectively, Peter | ||
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