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 +===== Dan's adventure HX890 VHF radio question. =====
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 +**Tom Fawell **12/12/22 #32865
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 +Paul,\\
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 +I looked into getting the the HX890 but the water activated light feature gave me pause.
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 +Water Activated Emergency Strobe Light\\
 +If the radio falls in the water an emergency strobe light is automatically activated, even when the unit is turned off!!! The strobe can be reconfigured to flash on and off, flash SOS, or set to stay on continuously.
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 +I do a far amount or sea kayaking and wouldn’t want a light staying on (using battery power) if it got wet (say after a roll or a wave). Have you had an issue with this?\\
 +Cheers,\\
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 +**Michael Peterson **12/12/22 #32866
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 +Stranger that follows this group, chiming in.
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 +I have this radio. I’ve never had the light turn on while paddling.
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 +Note that it has about a ten hour battery life, which I discovered at about ten hours into the last seventy48. I will need a second battery for the upcoming seventy48.
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 +Also, sorry, in retrospect I should have asked permission, but I forwarded Dan’s account to our Gig Harbor surfski group. Very instructive write up, thanks.
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 +Mike Peterson\\
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 +**Paul Reavley **12/12/22 #32869
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 +Tom,
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 +The default setting is for the light to come on in water when the radio is powered on. Coming on when the radio is not powered on is a non-default settings option, And this water hazard strobe feature can also be turned off completely in settings. I kept the default setting for a long time and I may have had the strobe come on once or twice in the past (not in a long time even when I swam) but went off after I turned the radio off as you would expect with the default. I now have it completely turned off.
  
 ===== Cell Phone & Smart Watch emergency (subtopic from Dan's Big Day) ===== ===== Cell Phone & Smart Watch emergency (subtopic from Dan's Big Day) =====
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 Good catch Paul on the Standard Horizon 4 min repeat. I wonder if all radios are the same.\\ Good catch Paul on the Standard Horizon 4 min repeat. I wonder if all radios are the same.\\
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-Dan Mayhew12/12/22 #32881\\+
 Thanks Jeff. Yes, my radio is registered. Thanks Jeff. Yes, my radio is registered.
  
-As Reivers pointed the DSC signal auto repeats according to the manual. That was my assumption before the CG told me that wasn't the case. I will circle back with the CG to clarify.\\ +As Reivers pointed the DSC signal auto repeats according to the manual. That was my assumption before the CG told me that wasn't the case. I will circle back with the CG to clarify. 
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 I think the one concern about the Apple iWatch would be cell coverage. However, it says that it will dial 911 and also text your location to your emergency contacts. The location is periodically updated until you turn off the emergency function. It does not state how often the update occurs. From what I understand, texts can go through when cell coverage is limited, though not when it's non-existent. I think the one concern about the Apple iWatch would be cell coverage. However, it says that it will dial 911 and also text your location to your emergency contacts. The location is periodically updated until you turn off the emergency function. It does not state how often the update occurs. From what I understand, texts can go through when cell coverage is limited, though not when it's non-existent.
  
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 While the DSC no doubt saved Dan, would things have been quicker if someone on the beach had his location immediately and could have passed that on to the rescuers? If Collin, who had just finished his paddle with us, or Beau, who was on duty, had that info could they have gotten the details to the boat crew out searching for Dan? While the DSC no doubt saved Dan, would things have been quicker if someone on the beach had his location immediately and could have passed that on to the rescuers? If Collin, who had just finished his paddle with us, or Beau, who was on duty, had that info could they have gotten the details to the boat crew out searching for Dan?
  
-Again, this brings up so many questions. Heck, would a simple flare (or two) have helped facilitate his rescue?\\ +Again, this brings up so many questions. Heck, would a simple flare (or two) have helped facilitate his rescue? 
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-Jon Denham12/13/22 #32885\\+
 Another thing to consider perhaps…in talking to the captain of the fireboat that was out that day (2 of the 3 firefighters operating the Bellingham Fire Dept fireboat out looking for Dan that day were CG personnel in former lives…) one of his main takeaways was that if a smoke flare could’ve been used (Fine motor skills in those conditions are problematic. I’d be curious to know if Dan thinks he could’ve gotten a smoke flare operational.) and it was functioning,​ they could’ve made a beeline for Dan, in theory. I’ll be looking for smoke flare options that’ll reasonably fit in PFDs. Another thing to consider perhaps…in talking to the captain of the fireboat that was out that day (2 of the 3 firefighters operating the Bellingham Fire Dept fireboat out looking for Dan that day were CG personnel in former lives…) one of his main takeaways was that if a smoke flare could’ve been used (Fine motor skills in those conditions are problematic. I’d be curious to know if Dan thinks he could’ve gotten a smoke flare operational.) and it was functioning,​ they could’ve made a beeline for Dan, in theory. I’ll be looking for smoke flare options that’ll reasonably fit in PFDs.
  
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 I have often thought about carrying flares, and smoke flares sound like way to go. I have often thought about carrying flares, and smoke flares sound like way to go.
  
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 I don't know what it takes to send off a flare. If it would have required removing my gloves at that point, it would have been challenging. I don't know what it takes to send off a flare. If it would have required removing my gloves at that point, it would have been challenging.
  
-Chatting with the CG again yesterday, and Beau, the message is clear: CALL EARLY!\\ +Chatting with the CG again yesterday, and Beau, the message is clear: CALL EARLY! 
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 [[https://​www.practical-sailor.com/​safety-seamanship/​daytime-distress-signals-flares-shine-in-the-wind|https://​www.practical-sailor.com/​safety-seamanship/​daytime-distress-signals-flares-shine-in-the-wind]] [[https://​www.practical-sailor.com/​safety-seamanship/​daytime-distress-signals-flares-shine-in-the-wind|https://​www.practical-sailor.com/​safety-seamanship/​daytime-distress-signals-flares-shine-in-the-wind]]
  
 It kinda sounds that in real life windy conditions, the smoke flare smoke is not particularly visible, which kinda makes sense. Their conclusion above was to use a high intensity handheld flare. It kinda sounds that in real life windy conditions, the smoke flare smoke is not particularly visible, which kinda makes sense. Their conclusion above was to use a high intensity handheld flare.
  
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-Like\\ +Dan, thanks to both Denise’s, I’m pretty sure they were already out looking for you prior to your distress signals. 
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-allipp@…12/​13/​22 #32889\\ +**Paul Reavley **12/13/22 #32891 
-Dan, thanks to both Denise’s, I’m pretty sure they were already out looking for you prior to your distress signals.\\ +
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-Paul Reavley12/13/22 #32891\\+
 We might want to include RSA SafeTRX in this discussion also. There are excellent local paddlers who have used it for some time and I assume the phone app relies on cellular. I am wondering what their experience has been like in Bellingham Bay and other locales? We might want to include RSA SafeTRX in this discussion also. There are excellent local paddlers who have used it for some time and I assume the phone app relies on cellular. I am wondering what their experience has been like in Bellingham Bay and other locales?
  
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 So in our locale the app can provide real time tracking to a list of contacts you can choose and you choose between having the app send alerts to your list if you are overdue or sending an alert if your battery power falls below 10%. So in our locale the app can provide real time tracking to a list of contacts you can choose and you choose between having the app send alerts to your list if you are overdue or sending an alert if your battery power falls below 10%.
  
-Maybe this one is just better for on-the-water tracking of your tripmates, but could also be helpful if you are communicating search location to rescue personnel who don't have the benefit of getting a DSC signal??? It may very well have limitations in connectivity in adverse conditions (you and your phone are in the water or your boat and your phone are upside-down,​ etc.) or be problematic if you carry your phone on your boat and get separated from your boat.\\ +Maybe this one is just better for on-the-water tracking of your tripmates, but could also be helpful if you are communicating search location to rescue personnel who don't have the benefit of getting a DSC signal??? It may very well have limitations in connectivity in adverse conditions (you and your phone are in the water or your boat and your phone are upside-down,​ etc.) or be problematic if you carry your phone on your boat and get separated from your boat. 
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 Reivers, Reivers,
  
 The ICOM manuals I have looked at say their resend is every 3.5 - 4.5 minutes. Instructions are very similar to SHorizon ones. I notice that both ICOM and SH say to hold down the emergency button for 3 seconds. but some demos I have watched on youtube seem to show shorter button presses. The ICOM manuals I have looked at say their resend is every 3.5 - 4.5 minutes. Instructions are very similar to SHorizon ones. I notice that both ICOM and SH say to hold down the emergency button for 3 seconds. but some demos I have watched on youtube seem to show shorter button presses.
  
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-Tyler Irwin12/13/22 #32898\\ +2 things: 
-I carry my iPhone with me now that they are reasonably waterproof and I've had good coverage with Verizon throughout the length of the bay.\\ +
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 Our fire boat received the distress signal 2 or 3 times, but the latitude/​longitude coordinates only came up as zeros on their equipment. Our fire boat received the distress signal 2 or 3 times, but the latitude/​longitude coordinates only came up as zeros on their equipment.
  
-Secondly; you can text 911 directly in Whatcom county. The dispatchers will still try to call you back to speak verbally, but will go solely via text if necessary.\\ +Secondly; you can text 911 directly in Whatcom county. The dispatchers will still try to call you back to speak verbally, but will go solely via text if necessary. 
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 I have the definitive answer on how my radio, the Cobra MR HH600W FLT GPS BT, processes the DSC distress call. Talking with the manufacturer cleared this up. I have the definitive answer on how my radio, the Cobra MR HH600W FLT GPS BT, processes the DSC distress call. Talking with the manufacturer cleared this up.
  
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 It is very possible that I sent signals and canceled signals when I was in the water. It is clear that a number of signals made it to the CG so they could follow the dots. With a different radio, one push would have sufficed. It is very possible that I sent signals and canceled signals when I was in the water. It is clear that a number of signals made it to the CG so they could follow the dots. With a different radio, one push would have sufficed.
  
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-2 people liked this\\ +Beau - do you know whether or not emergency responders can receive a "share my location"​ text from a cell phone? I believe I read somewhere that it'll give people about 5 meters of accuracy. 
-Tyler Irwin12/14/22 #32907\\ + 
-Beau - do you know whether or not emergency responders can receive a "share my location"​ text from a cell phone? I believe I read somewhere that it'll give people about 5 meters of accuracy.\\ +**beau whitehead **12/14/22 #32908 
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 I can’t speak for law enforcement,​ but fire/EMS does not have that capability currently. (It seems like it should be easy, since I can find my daughter, wife and mother at any given time if they have their phones with them)\\ I can’t speak for law enforcement,​ but fire/EMS does not have that capability currently. (It seems like it should be easy, since I can find my daughter, wife and mother at any given time if they have their phones with them)\\
 What can be done via dispatch, is a cell phone call can be tracked via latitude/​longitude coordinates,​ using triangulation software and cell tower pings. Not always super accurate. What can be done via dispatch, is a cell phone call can be tracked via latitude/​longitude coordinates,​ using triangulation software and cell tower pings. Not always super accurate.
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 So it is a possibility that a cell call from the bay could be pin pointed that way. Not sure if that’s been tested much on the water. Used plenty on land though. So it is a possibility that a cell call from the bay could be pin pointed that way. Not sure if that’s been tested much on the water. Used plenty on land though.
  
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 What a harrowing adventure that was! Glad the ending was as good as could be in that situation.\\ What a harrowing adventure that was! Glad the ending was as good as could be in that situation.\\
 On the topic of cell phones and on-water communication,​ I use a very robust and powerful cell phone designed for use by the likes of first responders, etc… Sonim XP8. The screen functions with gloved or wet fingers, it has a programmable push-to-talk button as well as a dedicated red emergency button that enables access quickly and easily. The phone also has one of the highest waterproof ratings available.\\ On the topic of cell phones and on-water communication,​ I use a very robust and powerful cell phone designed for use by the likes of first responders, etc… Sonim XP8. The screen functions with gloved or wet fingers, it has a programmable push-to-talk button as well as a dedicated red emergency button that enables access quickly and easily. The phone also has one of the highest waterproof ratings available.\\
-The phone is a bit of a brick, in that it is quite heavy in comparison to more popular brands, but with that you get a very tough phone that doesn'​t require a case (it's already built in), and has a lanyard attachment point built in as well. The company has just released the XP10 which is an Android based 5G compatible unit… XP8 is 4G.\\+The phone is a bit of a brick, in that it is quite heavy in comparison to more popular brands, but with that you get a very tough phone that doesn'​t require a case (it's already built in), and has a lanyard attachment point built in as well. The company has just released the XP10 which is an Android based 5G compatible unit… XP8 is 4G. 
 While a cell phone doesn'​t do the same job as VHF or epirb units, it does give me more piece of mind. Just thought I would throw in my experience here.\\ While a cell phone doesn'​t do the same job as VHF or epirb units, it does give me more piece of mind. Just thought I would throw in my experience here.\\
 Cheers all! Cheers all!
  
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 I got a heads up from Goodson in the gorge.\\ I got a heads up from Goodson in the gorge.\\
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-Home Valley to Mitchell Point has some holes in coverage which often don't even let texts through.\\ +- Home Valley to Mitchell Point has some holes in coverage which often don't even let texts through. 
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 +He didn't say which provider, but they mostly use the same towers ("​Co-Locate). There'​s a teeny difference between formats for range, but usually 10 sq. miles per tower. Unless mountains. Goodson also complemented me on "​twitter for paddlers"​. Can we call it "​Pitter"?​ "​Twaddler"?​ "The best hope for free speech on the internet"​…. uh, well. Maybe not that last one. 
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 +**robcasey** 12/15/22 #32916 Rocket flares require unscrewing a plastic cap which releases a metal chain. You pull the chain hard and it fires the flare (holding it away from your face).
  
-He didn'​t ​say which provider, but they mostly use the same towers ("​Co-Locate). There'​s ​a teeny difference between formats ​for range, but usually 10 sq. miles per tower. Unless mountains.+I was involved on a rescue in Seattle years ago where I fired a flare and paramedics who couldn'​t ​find our beach location suddenly burst out of the bushes and found us at the West Point Lighthouse. Was for a capsized boater who had been in the water for an hour, we hauled him to shore calling EMT on our vhf. Another option ​but mainly for directing it a boat or a helo is the laser flare. But I think the rocket flares are more visible and when anyone sees one, they know something'​s wrong.** ** [[https://​www.paddlerssupply.com/​brands/​great-laser/​|https://​www.paddlerssupply.com/​brands/​great-laser/​]]** **
  
-Goodson also complemented me on "​twitter for paddlers"​. Can we call it "​Pitter"?​ "​Twaddler"?​ "The best hope for free speech on the internet"​…. uh, well. Maybe not that last one.\\ +**robcasey** 12/15/22 #32918
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-Rocket flares require unscrewing a plastic cap which releases a metal chain. You pull the chain hard and it fires the flare (holding it away from your face).\\ +
-I was involved on a rescue in Seattle years ago where I fired a flare and paramedics who couldn'​t find our beach location suddenly burst out of the bushes and found us at the West Point Lighthouse. Was for a capsized boater who had been in the water for an hour, we hauled him to shore calling EMT on our vhf.+
  
-Another option but mainly for directing it a boat or a helo is the laser flare. But I think the rocket flares are more visible and when anyone sees one, they know something'​s wrong. [[https://​www.paddlerssupply.com/​brands/​great-laser/​|https://​www.paddlerssupply.com/​brands/​great-laser/​]]\\ 
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 Teaching regularly in Deception Pass we've found phones don't work there due to the canyon walls including more open Bowman Bay. May be a Navy thing. Interestingly during last last year's DP Dash/​Challenge the CG commander tried calling me on my phone after the race. I never got the message until we were leaving on Hwy 20 headed to Bastion Brewery. Teaching regularly in Deception Pass we've found phones don't work there due to the canyon walls including more open Bowman Bay. May be a Navy thing. Interestingly during last last year's DP Dash/​Challenge the CG commander tried calling me on my phone after the race. I never got the message until we were leaving on Hwy 20 headed to Bastion Brewery.
  

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